New in the mailorder list of No Colours: 4 cd's of Moonblood (?!).
Bootlegs?? If NOT, which label released them?

1 Bootleg and 5 rerelease of previously limited demo/lps surely without asking the band.
It seems it is the new fashion to re release on cd previously limited vynils/demos with the false excuse of ebay sales. Personally, I prefer to see a moron buying a Lp on ebay for 200$ and believing he is "true" than if any nowadays trendies can get previously limited stuff because they are rereleased.
Drakkar / No colours = $ame goal : cashing on Black metal

I don't think Drakkar is cashing on Black Metal. Rather cashing on assholes maybe.
But they have the balls to release albums other labels wouldn't do, like Abigail.

Maldoror: in one point you are right. the moonblood stuff is certainly released without the bands permission as one should know there standpoint towards cd releases right now.
but why the fukk shall it be an "false excuse" to rerelease limited stuff on cd format. you mean it´s "false" trying to control the egay desaster at least a bit. you mean it´s "false" to release a good record on an appropriate cd(c.f. good packaging etc.) to avoid the tumor of bootlegs. well, i do not think so. and another point: i always wonder how people like you can so easy divide between "true" and "trendy". the whole limitation thing(the original intent) was truly fukked up by egay so why do not react? i cannot speak of drakkar but nc is certainly not a "cash in" label i dare to say.

Let's put it this way. I see Black metal as dedicated to a small number of people and as a music bound to stay in the shadows of the deepest underground. That is the reason why some items are/were limited, simply because they are not destined to the masses and because the message spread cannot be comprehended by any Tom, Dick and Harry. Margaritas ante porcos ,Casting pearls before swine...
Products for the masses are already well defined: Mayhem, Satyricon, Burzum , Dummy burger...
It is a "false excuse" to rerelease limited stuff as a pretext it is
controlling the egay desaster. It is making cash to prevent other making cash. A capitalist attitude against another.Re realeasing limited stuff is spreading what should remain secret.

A way to struggle against e-bay would be for the labels to sell ONE copy each time of their release like NH is doing so the owner is not tempted to sell it on ebay.
I say I do not care about ebay and its despicable mongers because despite that sham the items are still limited between the "true" ones and the "false" morons who are stupid enough to spend a lot of cash to buy overhyped items which is really funny to see.
Enough assholes know Darkthrone and Burzum . It has to end. Next fashion please !

Well, my vision stems from the early 90s when Black metal was not yet a society phenomenom and seen as "cool" by capheads who discovered "violent" music with korn and black metal with Mp3s.

PS: Drakkar is another problem. A contradiction per se. On one side integrity, on the other side capitalism...

i think some greece bootleg all Moonblood albums on 500 units each album. Time for a visit !!!

The time of commercial underground alliance is coming ... Aarrgh Ebay it's just an excuse

On the mail order list of Drakkar you can see a lot of rare stuffs for sell at the same price of ebay ... It's from Noktu own vinyl collection :shuthefp:

And for me MOONBLOOD like DEATHSPELL OMEGA make ultra limited vinyl, spreach the underground and after re-edit their LP ... it's truly diabolic !!!

Maldoror: of course black metal limits itself through it´s message. but if you think that limiting stuff to 300 copies means to prevent any "Tom, Dick and Harry" from listening to it you are wrong. i for a long time believed in limitation(the releases are in fact "naturally" still limited of course, be it vinyl or cd) but it all makes no sense for me anymore. the only reason for limiting is the anticipated loss of money when you press too much of an album no one will buy, that´s it. you just can NOT control the people getting your releases. as already stated bm limits itself through it´s fanatic approach. if a band does it with integrity than i do not care shit how much they sell. if i see the divine evil forces in an album like "casus luciferi" why should i care if someone else sees them?
as for nh: it is a way of handling things yes, but honestly i have the impression the only ones getting something out of it are the post offices.
as for drakkar: well, obviousely true.

I think that should be up to the band to be disturbed or not by the re-releasing of their works. The rest of us should not get bored with it, just decide if we want to buy it or not.

Originally posted by Maldoror

A way to struggle against e-bay would be for the labels to sell ONE copy each time of their release like NH is doing so the owner is not tempted to sell it on ebay.
I say I do not care about ebay and its despicable mongers because despite that sham the items are still limited between the "true" ones and the "false" morons who are stupid enough to spend a lot of cash to buy overhyped items which is really funny to see.

Thats a silly idea...along with recording who has brought the LPs...which i hear is what NH has done too. How many of those 350 or so LPs will be traded...or have been traded...of course they will go on ebay...it is ignorant to think not. And who will get the blame for LP #220 etc...the guy who brought it? or the guy he traded it to? or the guy the other guy traded it to....

Its impossible to track.

But at least NH I suppose are serious about keeping their releases off ebay. But it won't work. It will always be a place and source for quick cash ( alot ) for anything limited and "kult".

Originally posted by Zann
i for a long time believed in limitation(the releases are in fact "naturally" still limited of course, be it vinyl or cd) but it all makes no sense for me anymore. the only reason for limiting is the anticipated loss of money when you press too much of an album no one will buy, that´s it.
Actually, the reason you gave does not really make sense either. If a label only limits a release because they do not want to lose money, then they would simply make more copies if it sells better than expected.

Originally posted by Zann
you just can NOT control the people getting your releases.
Well, yes and no. If a new, unknown band made CD-R limited to 10-15 copies and gave them out to their friends, I would say they had a lot of control over who got them.

With established bands, though, you are right. For a band that has released two or three albums, limiting their next one to 500 copies instead of 1000 ( for example ) is not going to make a huge difference in the quality of their fanbase.

Last of all, to anyone who thinks making an extra 500 unofficial Moonblood albums suddenly makes the band a "product for the masses": you better keep griping about bootlegs and making fourth-generation tape dubs, otherwise Drakkar might launch a hostile takeover of EMI or Sony, and place Vzaeurvbtre demos inside future Happy Meals.

Someone told me NoColours is also responsible for Dusk Woerot... Anyone got info on this?

Brenoritvrezorkre, Dzlvarv or Mogovtre stickers with every "Happy Meals", or in Kinder surprise would be a great idea....................
basically, I agree with you, Dymitry but who told you No colours will just do "500" cds. It is already too much when you think Moonblood was against cds. What 's more, it is easy cash for no colours without Moonblood 's permission.
Moonblood flouted the money-making BM bands. Will No Colours have to get money on Moonblood's behalf because Moonblood refused to. Is that the nowadays UG attitude ?

it was always the same person selling Dusk Woerot on ebay.

Just go back to the underground and ebay offers will be less.

these arent no colours bootlegs for certain


either a greek or canadian label doing it


I tried to get permission to do offical Moonblood stuff but got swiftly denied hehe

Originally posted by Maldoror
basically, I agree with you, Dymitry but who told you No colours will just do "500" cds.
My comment was based on this one from above:

Originally posted by Allmighty
i think some greece bootleg all Moonblood albums on 500 units each album. Time for a visit !!!
They may very well end up making more than 500 copies of each, but I doubt they will rival Burzum or Satyricon or Dimmu Borgir albums in total sales.

Originally posted by Maldoror
It is already too much when you think Moonblood was against cds. What 's more, it is easy cash for no colours without Moonblood 's permission.
True. Whoever made them, could at least have had the dignity to make tapes instead.

Originally posted by Archgoat
I tried to get permission to do offical Moonblood stuff but got swiftly denied hehe

Why? Do they want to stay trve-kvlt-evil-underground-etc ??? I like this band very much, but such attitudes make me laugh...

for sure.

Originally posted by Archgoat
[B]these arent no colours bootlegs for certain

i did not say it was NC.

Originally posted by FSR
Why? Do they want to stay trve-kvlt-evil-underground-etc ??? I like this band very much, but such attitudes make me laugh...

"true-kult-evil-underground"... pfff, you associate mockery with underground status ; I think you're wrong ; a band who try to stay in deepest underground is fucking honorable, never mind the manner.

Arctthuro, A.A. 36531, Cali - Colombia, SOUTH AMERICA

was the Dusk releaser

Originally posted by Defunctus
"true-kult-evil-underground"... pfff, you associate mockery with underground status ; I think you're wrong ; a band who try to stay in deepest underground is fucking honorable, never mind the manner.

Needless to say, I totally agree on that one.

Originally posted by Defunctus
"true-kult-evil-underground"... pfff, you associate mockery with underground status ; I think you're wrong ; a band who try to stay in deepest underground is fucking honorable, never mind the manner.

Maybe I'm just jealous that I don't know them personally and I don't have their original releases (except for some)... Nevermind.

Originally posted by Maldoror
Needless to say, I totally agree on that one.

it were the ebay sells that maked them public, dont forget it.

So stop the ebay sell out.

If you ask me, theres only 1 way to really stay underground. Make your music a way only the few people you want to address will understand. And then release it without any (official) limit.

Kiddies wont really like the music, and because theres no "ultrarare kult" stuff about your releases, they wont buy it. And the true (hm, i kinda hate that word...) people will get them.

Originally posted by schmerz
If you ask me, theres only 1 way to really stay underground. Make your music a way only the few people you want to address will understand. And then release it without any (official) limit.

Kiddies wont really like the music, and because theres no "ultrarare kult" stuff about your releases, they wont buy it. And the true (hm, i kinda hate that word...) people will get them.

Everything has been said an that subject in the off topic section, thread that has been closed.

Originally posted by schmerz
And the true (hm, i kinda hate that word...) people will get them.
If you hate the word "true" well then use the word "dedicated people"...sounds better?

can you fully describe what dedicated people mean or its too underground to tell?

Originally posted by alex
or its too underground to tell?
are you nuts?