For French readers, please note the next publication of an essay "Eunolie, conditions d'émergence du Black Metal" (Eunolie-Unholy, the emergence's conditions of Black Metal) by Frédérick Martin, at the French Musica Falsa Editions, around November 15th. A chapter is dedicated to French BM scene.

http://www.musicafalsa.com/
more details on that page : http://www.musicafalsa.com/collection.php3?id_rubrique=10

Hailz FkM

Great news.

Hope to read it soon !

How large is the distribution of this editor, mr FkM ?

Is it possible to get this book in "regular" stores, or do we have to write somewhere ?

Check the Musica Falsa website for the bookstores where you may find the book.

"le Black Metal, violent, fragile et bouleversant, né en Suède et en Norvège Ã* la fin des années 80 en réaction au Death Metal qui venait des USA et avait envahi l'Europe. "

Quid des Venom, Sodom, Voivod et autre Sarcofago ?

Originally posted by Azmoth
"le Black Metal, violent, fragile et bouleversant, né en Suède et en Norvège Ã* la fin des années 80 en réaction au Death Metal qui venait des USA et avait envahi l'Europe. "

Quid des Venom, Sodom, Voivod et autre Sarcofago ?

Yes I agree !!!
VENOM, CELTIC FROST, BATHORY, SARCOFAGO were doing BM even before DM !!!!!
Anyway who cares ????

I don't get the point of such a book, really ..... We all grew up listening to metal be it heavy/speed/thrash/death or black so I guess we all know the story well. Ok I'm younger than the autor but I'm old enough to know that more than half of my life has been dedicated to metal.

Well you do know, but lots of people have less knowledges than you. It is not a book for metal specialists only, I think, but first of all for people interested by music, by cultural facts. Why such a musical movement happened for instance? One may look for the reasons that brought out such violence, darkness and nihilistic ideas in a musical movement.

nah..I think this is just another way of earning money...
someone interested in metal should discover it by himself not by a book and thoughts of another person...

Maybe it's dangerous to try to "explain" such a movement like BM in a book, if the purpose is to be sold to people out of the scene and metal in general.
A bit like taking part in a TV report or being interviews in general newspapers...

well i'm not sure the book will "explain" things. And about the commercial idea, forget it, Musica Falsa is a small publisher.
Well i don't know much about the book, so I prefer to wait for Frederick Martin's reply.
But I may tell you at least that this author is very very far away from a money-obsessed person, and has the appropriate sensitivity to talk about BM.
I think we should wait for the book, and then you will judge.

Is the author rather well informed on the movement to make such a work?

how much $ to judge for this book?

I don't care if he may earn money or not, I don't see how/why it could be dangerous in some way, I repeat I don't understand why such a book, just my opinion but if you're not into "metal" I guess you won't be interested in reading this book and when you're in ....... either or maybe just to expand your own culture (I mean to know more about THIS book not about the so called 'movement').

Originally posted by BorsaNera
Is the author rather well informed on the movement to make such a work?

how much $ to judge for this book?

well i think so. Otherwise there's no use to write such book, especially when one likes the subject he is writing about.
price : around 12 and 15 euros.

Well, well, it's just a book. And Venom etc are told of inside - what you think ?
The thing will amount to circa 13 euro.
No wimp allowed in this book.
You're warned, little worms.

Originally posted by FkM
The thing will amount to circa 13 euro.
No wimp allowed in this book.
You're warned, little worms.

C'est noté mon grand.

Originally posted by FkM
And Venom etc are told of inside - what you think ?

I don't think nothing as I didn't read the book, but I just quoted this : "le Black Metal, violent, fragile et bouleversant, né en Suède et en Norvège Ã* la fin des années 80 en réaction au Death Metal qui venait des USA et avait envahi l'Europe. "

Did you write this sentence or is it the editor's fault ?

Mmmm...

I have not a perfect knowledge on that book, but I don't think it will become a money maker, seems to be far from a TVshow on prime time, moreover I heard it was more a music-focused book (combined with the fact it's a small editor as Marie said)

And yes ! I purely hate those historical books/websites (especialy websites) with little stories and the usual "Black Metal is born in the blablabla" with fucking clichés that seems to be impossible to avoid such as (first in my mind among a gigabyte) :

-Death Metal from Florida suddenly evolved in Black Metal from Norway
-Euronymous/Burzum/church/profanations/Death (bad guys)
-Black Metal is about Satan nature and vampires ..... But.... it's just music... (goooood boys)

Anyway, even well done, I don't think I will be interested in that book and I don't think we are the commercial target.

It is natural for some of us (that take part in the BM culture/way of living) to be glad when we see such information being documented on books, media, etc., although I think that, in similar cases, the knife cuts both ways. For example, the authors of such books (about BM, Satanism, etc.) are never individuals from the specific culture. I mean, they do a scientific approach but they fail because BM is not that simple a question that can be analyzed from the outside only. Just think for a minute: even in the BM “scene� there are presently 1000 bands and the truth (as we know) is that half of them never really understood what is the philosophy behind this darkest way of living/creating art – they just follow what they think is extreme. So, how can a writer/outsider succeed? My point is that everything on this kind of books turns out to be a superficial approach. In general, the authors deal with some interviews, listen to some “albums of the moment�, talk to some band and there you go: a book explaining BM from inside out! I am not judging Mr. Frédérick Martin, far from it! After all I didn’t read the book… Maybe it will turn out ok, who knows… Somehow, it is just difficult to put one’s faith on this kind of things. It is so easy for them to mix everything up, making us look like a teenage rebel community or some circus parade.


THE UNDERGROUND WORKS BETTER...

I agree with Mr Nazgul.
By the way it could be interesting to have a look at this book in order to have a true judgement of it.

I also think it is dangerous, because it will contribute to attract more and more people in the Metal realm...
Just like interviews, be it in TV shows or newspapers for the masses...
In order keep a musical style underground (or at least not saturated as it alreeady is), it's more than necessary to avoid such promotions. It gives the possibility to anybody to discover something which could attract them...

I would like the idea if I was sure that the book will be sold to people who are already part of the cult... (for example if it was sold via labels, or printed as a fanzine, etc...).

But a "professional" book doesn't sound like a good idea to me.

P.

It remember me all this crap concerning all these cemetary profanations in the south of France some years ago. With magazine as VSD or others shitty ones making money on most of the times stupid story they don't know the half.

I remember these fucking journalist with homosexual dressing asking peoples at a BM shows to make photos and talk about what they think about these profanation .......

well i don't think that all that shitty journalistic thing will happen with that book. It is an essay, remember, not some scientific exploration of BM made by some newbie doctor who wouldn't have never heard any metal before.
I have faith in Frederick Martin's sensitivity and creativity. He is a musician himself.

Originally posted by Perversifier
I would like the idea if I was sure that the book will be sold to people who are already part of the cult... (for example if it was sold via labels, or printed as a fanzine, etc...).

Yes but then, as said Krieg, what the point, you probably know more than what is compiled in this "essay", so you won't bother buying it and reading it ...

then, I am not sure if this book will attract more people..., but anyway then who cares, I mean, there is an ever growing gap between the underground bm scene and the commercial bm scene, this book is not going to change that, no need to worry...

and at the end of the day, you will still be complaining about the amount of "fakes" showing up, which is the case since ages...

The book was written in French, right? Hum, I guess that non French speakers will have a problem then, since this kind of books never get a big projection in order to be translated… (I wonder why he didn’t choose to publish it in English…)

Well, Eunolie was written as a fiction shit. It is not a book "about" Black metal, it is a Black Book, just like a BM album with words (sometimes YOUR own words, little worms), it is a novel in which BM musicians are the characters. Each portrait is an action ; every portrait is different from the others.
The text evolves from pure information to violent poetry. From history to intoxication. From sheer smartness to obvious madness.
And I don't give a fuck to money. It's beer and pork I need, not money.

Expecting hell ?
You got it.

"Little worms" is a very delicate idiom exclusively employed for nice people like you. Little worms.

So it's cool, little worm (I was not a member of Nice People btw)

"It's beer and pork I need"
great, Homer Simpson is involved in Black Metal !

Originally posted by Azmoth
(I was not a member of Nice People btw)

If this is supposed to be a joke, it's pathetic.

I don't understand where/what is the joke ??!

There was no joke, just irony

Originally posted by FkM
It's beer and pork I need, not money.


well sorry to be so down-to-earth but to get beer and pork you need money !! unless your book is sponsored by Maître Kanter and Paul Prédault !! maybe... who knows ?

hahaha
come on, boyz, don't worry that much! :)

Worry ?? I'm personaly not worried at all as I really don't care (I know I was not your particuliar target).

No, this book is not sponsored, it's hand made by a bunch of crazy heads.

A quote : "I don't think nothing as I didn't read the book, but I just quoted this : "le Black Metal, violent, fragile et bouleversant, né en Suède et en Norvège Ã* la fin des années 80 en réaction au Death Metal qui venait des USA et avait envahi l'Europe. "
Did you write this sentence or is it the editor's fault ?"
No again, I wrote that because it is true. Euronymous himself said it. You may not trust my sources, but some are from the original people themselves, including Hellhammer and Ivar from Enslaved whom I exploded my phone bill with - and also words by gentlemen posting on this forum. Great people.

But just wait a short while, then steal the book to autodafe it if you mind. There are much more in it than in an ordinary book : musical transcriptions by Darkthrone, Burzum, Mayhem, Immortal and Emperor (guitar and drums parts), about 30 lyrics translations, logos, and so on...

And to answer another question : I wrote it in french first because I am (I could have written it in italian or english, or even armenian with some concentration), and second because my publisher is french too.

Originally posted by FkM
A quote : "I don't think nothing as I didn't read the book, but I just quoted this : "le Black Metal, violent, fragile et bouleversant, né en Suède et en Norvège Ã* la fin des années 80 en réaction au Death Metal qui venait des USA et avait envahi l'Europe. "
Did you write this sentence or is it the editor's fault ?"
No again, I wrote that because it is true. Euronymous himself said it. You may not trust my sources, but some are from the original people themselves, including Hellhammer and Ivar from Enslaved whom I exploded my phone bill with - and also words by gentlemen posting on this forum. Great people.

okay, thanks for your answer.

Carven, blessed you little worm, I know how necessary money stands for a good beer and a pork slice, but whether I'd wish to make cash to buy some more, I wouldn't pick BM up. Neither yourself, I guess.
I did not even hope for money, glory or girls laying when writing. I already got all of that and it's pretty boring.

Originally posted by FkM
Carven, blessed you little worm

little worm, that's your thing, hey ?
big worm is not going to eat little worm ...

Originally posted by FkM
I already got all of that and it's pretty boring.

ah 45 yrs old sorry, l'homme blasé ...
but in your profile, you actually state that you are still interested in sex, no ? "anal cunt fucking" esp. eheh

oh btw you will need money as well for that eheh

all this "little worm etc." makes you sound a bit frustrated you know ?

Originally posted by marie
hahaha
come on, boyz, don't worry that much! :)

nobody's worried... just reacting.

i know, i am just kidding... ;)

Oh no, Carven, I'm not jaded at all, even at 45, each second is an impellement of full will to make something new and different.
Not jaded about women, neither music neither money neither unknown pleasures and sensations.
Not even of my own body.

And "little worm" is purely friendly (until you get weak).

BTW, my one and only frustration is not to have two dicks instead of just one.

Originally posted by FkM
And I don't give a fuck to money. It's beer and pork I need, not money.

Originally posted by FkM
I did not even hope for money, glory or girls laying when writing. I already got all of that and it's pretty boring.

Originally posted by FkM
Not jaded about women, neither music neither money neither unknown pleasures and sensations.

So, now, Carven, you get a hint of how abbastanza complex I am to write a couple of lines about a music we both thirst to.

Originally posted by FkM
..."le Black Metal, violent, fragile et bouleversant, né en Suède et en Norvège Ã* la fin des années 80 en réaction au Death Metal qui venait des USA et avait envahi l'Europe. "...

...You may not trust my sources, but some are from the original people themselves, including Hellhammer and Ivar from Enslaved whom I exploded my phone bill with - and also words by gentlemen posting on this forum. Great people...

...There are much more in it than in an ordinary book : musical transcriptions by Darkthrone, Burzum, Mayhem, Immortal and Emperor (guitar and drums parts), about 30 lyrics translations, logos, and so on...


Don’t get me wrong Mr. FkM, and I must once again refer that I am not judging your book since I haven’t read it, but aren’t these aspects of BM (regarding the mentioned individuals, bands and countries) a bit explored by now, in similar books for example? I am sure you did an honest and careful research and your sources may be trustworthy but are people nowadays still interested? I believe the majority who has been involved in BM, lets say at least since 94/95, already knows the story/activities behind all of this quite well, don’t you think?
I honestly hope the book works out for you (that’s not an issue) but if my “little worm’s� opinion has any credit at all I would dare say that if 10 years ago it was Norway who mainly ruled the BM realm (although since some years now we’ve seen much and greater talents rising from other countries) now it would be far more interesting to have an approach on BM in the present time, instead of the past history. If you ask me, it would be more appealing to have an essay that glanced into topics such as: “What is the present situation?�, “Does a BM “scene� still exist?�, “Who is who?�, “What different musical/lyrical directions the individuals involved have adopted?�, “Different ideologies in the BM culture�, etc., etc...
There is such a misconception and lack of coherence in BM today that this kind of publication would only be positive. By this, I am not saying that its aim should be the confused “wannabes�! On the contrary, it would work simply as enlightenment/gratification for all of us who still believe in this darkest way of living.

Eunolie goes till today, even to bands who have not yet issued albums. It is not only past history. It rather shows the continuity since the end of the 80s. And probably most of the readers will never have heard of BM before, so this is also for them, though I managed to write something that would NOT bring out an instant lust to discover BM - I say instead : "this may not be for you. Those guys may not really want you to peer at them."
But mainly, I want this book to SOUND, not only to be a paper product.
And the advice of little worms is extremely relevant to me, don't get me wrong either !

Originally posted by FkM
Eunolie goes till today, even to bands who have not yet issued albums. It is not only past history. It rather shows the continuity since the end of the 80s. And probably most of the readers will never have heard of BM before, so this is also for them, though I managed to write something that would NOT bring out an instant lust to discover BM - I say instead : "this may not be for you. Those guys may not really want you to peer at them."


Well, thanks for the elucidation… Probably I was giving your work less credit than it deserved – still, nothing like being confronted with the final product to take a stand. Again, such an attempt will be difficult for French illiterates such as myself… (a translation would be a must)

I liked the "this may not be for you. Those guys may not really want you to peer at them." Lets just hope that this statement doesn’t create even more attention from curious beings. We know that the philosophy of today’s inferior beings works something like: “Hey, this looks extreme! Let try and get involved.�

Originally posted by FkM
I say instead : "this may not be for you. Those guys may not really want you to peer at them."


This is EXACTLY what will make the contrary effect...
everything which is "forbidden" creates lust...

Tell to people that they are not welcome somewhere, and they will do everything possible to be part of it...

P.

Uh nevermind.

Reverse psychology – the infallible trick!

Some will REALLY dislike what I have written. I mean the newbies : some will be terrorized.
But as said : "Uh, nevermind".

Well I began reading the book yesterday and I would like to congratulate mister FKM. Good job maestro. It's the first time ever someone writes something SERIOUS about Black Metal... It was about time...

Hail & Kill

Thanks, Mizter Amduscias ! That's the way I intended it.

Check this link for the bookstores'list where you may find "Eunolie"
http://www.musicafalsa.com/lieux.php3

The only thing that keeps it from being the bible of poseurs is it's written in french. Books don't need to be written about Metal or on the subject of it, there are enough pseudo-metallers already and giving them a book is just more substance for them to feed on. Write a book on suicide and watch how many people kill themselves, it's all image anymore. Watch prices on eBay, perfect example of what Black Metal is to most people. Elite Jewery.

I think the idea of a book is pointless and certainly not necessary.

Originally posted by vekna
I think the idea of a book is pointless and certainly not necessary.

any mistake in there?

forgive me for assuming people would have the insight to understand when I said that, it was made in reference to the idea of a book on the subject of Black Metal.

Don't mistake the real point about my book : it NOT a book about BM. It is a Black Book.
So, take it as you like, but it will not push newbies to become another kind of trendies.
Then, Eunolie (which means : "Alas, refuse !" in latine) is purposed to create a bad mood in its readers, except to the people already able to get its actual meaning.

And this is but a very few people.

I was saying as I did in the case of it being another "Lords Of Chaos".

I would have to read it, but when you posted the topic of a "Black Metal Essay" it tends to rouse a feeling of it becoming another layer to throw on the facade.

I understand you.
This book is published in an essay collection, it had to bear such a subtitle (essay).
But inside, the "ordinary reader" will not feel at ease, I have done whatever I could to back off the unconcerned ones.
The others will be converted - in case they are not already.
I don't give a damn of success, I did it not for the money, not more than musicians like Amduscias or Fenriz do it for so. We do it because we feel such a necessity.
And then, as a music compser, I wanted to write a book that would be MUSIC and not LITTERATURE.

We're not here to win. We're here not to get fucked up as anybody does.

I will try to catch it... Surely it would be more interesting and "intelligent" than the shitty documentary our beloved M6 channel have done... No more bullshit about black metal, pleeaaaase...

no possibility to get this one by "VPC" ? cuz there is no distribution in La Rochelle or Niort. And I don't want to go to Bordeaux just to get a "Black Book"...

I've read the book, and even if I wouldn't call it a piece of shit, I must say I was shocked many times while reading it.

Except some orthograph/syntax mistakes, it's quite well written, but I must say the author concentrate on his very own tastes. It is really centered on the music and history of the bands, but the ideology is not developped at all... The writer has prefered to show off his musical knowledge in including some partitions nobody cares about...
A chapter of 16 pages about Anorexia Nervosa is a bit too much for me... This is not what I consider to be representative of BM... Strange choices.

I was schoked to read the part about german BM... Only shitty bands are mentionned while "classics" are forgotten. To say that the UG scene there is almost non existent is an heresy.

What about the first Enslaved album ? seems like it has never existed if we take this book as a reference.

The book is better than what I expeceted. The intention was probably to draw the whole genre, with very eclectic choices, and that is what I dislike. Some bands shouldn't be "mixed" in the same book, even if they belong to same "genre", according to some people.

P.

Originally posted by Perversifier

A chapter of 16 pages about Anorexia Nervosa


Noooooooooo, really :confused: . Waste ot time and paper....

I think I see what is it and who've done it, I suppose it could be very well written.

At last it's something done, with the usual proportions of mistakes and forgotten passages, BM is a vast subject even if it's a small world.

Without something written, many knowledge will be lost, even if it doesn't displease me.

So, even if I don't really care, even if I don't like the idea of writting about BM, I must admit it has to be done, for something must survive the inexorable oblivion of time.

History began with writing.

but it has to be "legitimate"...
I don't think the author was the most appropriated person to write an objective book about BM... We have the thesis, we now need the "anti-thesis"...

ONE book doesn't make history... if there are no detractors or contradictors... it's the confrontation, and the fact to write and write more about a topic, to make an objective panorama, and to let the reader have his own opinion in selecting what he wants to accept and what he wants to deny in each book... If there is only ONE book, it might become a reference, and a wrong one...

PS : The Bible is a book also... and...

Originally posted by Perversifier
but it has to be "legitimate"...
I don't think the author was the most appropriated person to write an objective book about BM... We have the thesis, we now need the "anti-thesis"...

ONE book doesn't make history... if there are no detractors or contradictors... it's the confrontation, and the fact to write and write more about a topic, to make an objective panorama, and to let the reader have his own opinion in selecting what he wants to accept and what he wants to deny in each book... If there is only ONE book, it might become a reference, and a wrong one...

PS : The Bible is a book also... and...

I totally agree, my last sentence was not as clear as I wanted it to be.

But noone's really the appropriated personn to write something about BM, we (99% of the people listening to BM) don't even know 10% of the whole BM world.

Maybe an informative compilation could be done by many authors and will be a good start before saying anything about BM.

"Informative" mean only the fact and releases. Everything else is quite subjective.

I had the idea, a long ago, to make a zine which is only based on writings from people from "the scene"...
no bands interviews. Only articles about religions, philosophy, esoterism, etc... and other topics related to BM, like how people do apprehend BM and its scene. But I doubt people would be interested in that...
when you think about it, we have all forms of items in a BM catalog, except books : music, videos, tshirts, pins/badges, patches, posters, jewels, etc...

P.

Well, thanks to all who read this book !!
A few words to clear the thing up.
First, yes, it would be excellent to have a second book, an antithesis. This does not bother me, it will be easier to write another book for someone else since mine is already available.
Then, about Anorexia Nervosa : there is nothing between them and me. I wanted to describe a concert day in a band's life and at first, Antaeus should have been the one, but it showed impossible, so I took the next in line and it was AN. I did not know those guyz by then and we did not meet since... I know AN is disliked by many a Black Metal lover, but AN is a great band, and what's done is done : nobody got injured by this.
For the typing mistakes : some appeared after we sent the file to printing, I don't know how this came out and it will be corrected in the next edition, the book being already almost sold out (thanx, people !).
And yes again, I concentrated on my own tastes : I let the reader figure it out from the very first page, adding : "La critique est faite pour etre critiquée".
So, whatever might be told against my work or myself, just keep this in mind : I listen to BM every day, because I just need this music to feed my life, and I am not a very sympathetic person, since almost 46 years, because I generally don't like mankind... Need some time to bear me along.
That was a love affair. Such it will remain.